My five U.S. Model 1868’s coming up for sale soon

[carlsr]

Well, one state IS a WHOLE LOT WORSE that we knew.

New Jersey is enemy occupied area, unsafe for freedom loving Americans. If trapped there, instead of wasting time drooling over great old guns, people need to be looking into fleeing to a free state. Get your house on the market right away, take whatever you can get and leave the state forever.

Yeah, family, jobs, friends and all that, but they should be packing up too.

Your savings in taxes will help pay for the move. And, if you own just about any gun, it is likely to be illegal now in NJ, and your lawyer costs if discovered will be megabucks as well, and better to pay the movers than the lawyers. The law was written and passed by idiot politicians. It will be enforced by nice cops who can only go by what the law says, no matter how stupid or nonsensical it is. Prosecutions will be settled in court by lawyers and judges who know nothing about guns (except they hate them) and are constrained by the idiotic language of the law passed by the legislature and signed by the governor.

For a complete run down on HOW BAD their nonsense is, read it all below. This is truly unbelievable. It is also a warning that every gun owner needs to be very involved and active in political and legislative action in their state, so your state does not adopt similar laws.

Here is a link to an explanation of NJ's new law. If you live in NJ, it is time to flee to freedom while you still can. Kalifornia, New Yawk, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Oregon and Washington are nearly as bad, and competing to become worse than NJ.
https://www.evannappen.com/new-jersey-e ... s-history/

I have been trying to move out of this great state for some time. Unfortunately the cost of real estate, like everything else has skyrocketed. If I were to sell my house then move out of state NJ then hits me with an exit tax which is 8.97% or 2% of the sale price at closing, which ever is highest
I’m going to research this law further. I have a couple other gun shops I deal with so today I’m going to talk to them.
I searched through NJ gun laws last night and could not find this text, which is from Even Nappen who is a gun lawyer.

[Fred Gaarde]

Gunbroker apologized and said that before I can sell, they now require additional verification of who I am by supplying my birth date. However after giving it, I’m told that I still need to put in a Month of my birth. This is after I’ve put it in over and over.

I think that I’ll pound the muzzles into the ground and use the rifles as Tomato Stakes.

[Dick Hosmer]

Guess your best bet is private sale by word of mouth, or take them to a gun show, or, get together with our leader, John . . .

[John S.]

INAL, but I work on legislative issues in another state and see this as the relevant language. Note that it is overly broad and inclusive, and while ostensibly aimed at "ghost gun kits" the fact that it might apply to lots of other guns is undoubtedly a plus, not a problem as far as the gun banners are concerned. I defer to any actual lawyers, especially in NJ who want to spell out the details in plain English:

The ban on possession of firearms lacking serial numbers applied by a federal licensee is in 2C:39-3.n and refers to receivers as defined in 2C:39-9.k:
QUOTE.
"n. Firearms without a serial number. Any person who knowingly possesses a firearm manufactured or otherwise assembled using a firearm frame or firearm receiver as defined in subsection k. of N.J.S. 2C:39-9 which is not imprinted with a serial number registered with a federally licensed manufacturer including, but not limited to, a firearm manufactured or otherwise assembled from parts purchased or otherwise obtained in violation of subsection k. of N.J.S.2C:39-9, is guilty of a crime of the third degree."

{Here is 2C:39-9k:]
k. Purchasing firearm parts to manufacture a firearm without a serial number. In addition to any other criminal penalties provided under law, a person who, with the purpose to manufacture or otherwise assemble a firearm and without being registered or licensed do so as provided in chapter 58 of Title 2C of the New Jersey Statutes, purchases or otherwise obtains separately or as part of a kit a firearm frame or firearm receiver which is not imprinted with a serial number registered with a federally licensed manufacturer or any combination of parts from which a firearm without a serial number may be readily manufactured or otherwise assembled, but which does not have the capacity to function as a firearm unless manufactured or otherwise assembled is guilty of a crime of the second degree. Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S. 2C:1-8 or any other law, a conviction under this subsection shall not merge with a conviction for any other criminal offense and the court shall impose separate sentences upon a violation of this subsection and any other criminal offense.

As used in this subsection, “firearm frame or firearm receiver” means the part of a firearm that provides housing for the firearm’s internal components, such as the hammer, bolt or breechblock, action, and firing mechanism, and includes without limitation any object or part which is not a firearm frame or receiver in finished form but is designed or intended to be used for that purpose and which may readily be made into a firearm frame or receiver through milling or other means.
END QUOTE
(SOURCE- https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/new ... chapter_39)

[carlsr]

Gunbroker apologized and said that before I can sell, they now require additional verification of who I am by supplying my birth date. However after giving it, I’m told that I still need to put in a Month of my birth. This is after I’ve put it in over and over.

I think that I’ll pound the muzzles into the ground and use the rifles as Tomato Stakes.

Don’t pound #127 into the ground, sent you an email.

[Fred Gaarde]

Gunbroker apologized and said that before I can sell, they now require additional verification of who I am by supplying my birth date. However after giving it, I’m told that I still need to put in a Month of my birth. This is after I’ve put it in over and over.

I think that I’ll pound the muzzles into the ground and use the rifles as Tomato Stakes.

OK, I fixed it. I think I’ll start with rifle #86

[carlsr]

INAL, but I work on legislative issues in another state and see this as the relevant language. Note that it is overly broad and inclusive, and while ostensibly aimed at "ghost gun kits" the fact that it might apply to lots of other guns is undoubtedly a plus, not a problem as far as the gun banners are concerned. I defer to any actual lawyers, especially in NJ who want to spell out the details in plain English:

The ban on possession of firearms lacking serial numbers applied by a federal licensee is in 2C:39-3.n and refers to receivers as defined in 2C:39-9.k:
QUOTE.
"n. Firearms without a serial number. Any person who knowingly possesses a firearm manufactured or otherwise assembled using a firearm frame or firearm receiver as defined in subsection k. of N.J.S. 2C:39-9 which is not imprinted with a serial number registered with a federally licensed manufacturer including, but not limited to, a firearm manufactured or otherwise assembled from parts purchased or otherwise obtained in violation of subsection k. of N.J.S.2C:39-9, is guilty of a crime of the third degree."

{Here is 2C:39-9k:]
k. Purchasing firearm parts to manufacture a firearm without a serial number. In addition to any other criminal penalties provided under law, a person who, with the purpose to manufacture or otherwise assemble a firearm and without being registered or licensed do so as provided in chapter 58 of Title 2C of the New Jersey Statutes, purchases or otherwise obtains separately or as part of a kit a firearm frame or firearm receiver which is not imprinted with a serial number registered with a federally licensed manufacturer or any combination of parts from which a firearm without a serial number may be readily manufactured or otherwise assembled, but which does not have the capacity to function as a firearm unless manufactured or otherwise assembled is guilty of a crime of the second degree. Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S. 2C:1-8 or any other law, a conviction under this subsection shall not merge with a conviction for any other criminal offense and the court shall impose separate sentences upon a violation of this subsection and any other criminal offense.

As used in this subsection, “firearm frame or firearm receiver” means the part of a firearm that provides housing for the firearm’s internal components, such as the hammer, bolt or breechblock, action, and firing mechanism, and includes without limitation any object or part which is not a firearm frame or receiver in finished form but is designed or intended to be used for that purpose and which may readily be made into a firearm frame or receiver through milling or other means.
END QUOTE
(SOURCE- https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/new ... chapter_39)

I spoke to another fire arms dealer today who sells antiques. He told me he has not seen this but there were 7 other bills that were just put into law and that wasn’t one of them.
He just sold a trap door last week and has no problem doing a transfer.

[Fred Gaarde]

Sounds good Carl! Email sent with my address.

[Fred Gaarde]

Garrett Phillips, your rifle #25 will ship out to you tomorrow!
Please email me your postal address

Fred

[johngross]

Gunbroker apologized and said that before I can sell, they now require additional verification of who I am by supplying my birth date. However after giving it, I’m told that I still need to put in a Month of my birth. This is after I’ve put it in over and over.

I think that I’ll pound the muzzles into the ground and use the rifles as Tomato Stakes.

I would recommend https://www.gunsinternational.com/

One big advantage of GI is they do not collect sales tax. Because of this (at least for my buying strategy), I am willing to pay more for the actual item at GI then I would pay at GB, because at GB I need to factor in well over 8.383% sales tax plus their 1% "processing fee" (charged to the buyer) for collecting the sales tax.

So for a buyer, this means adding an additional 10% +/- (depending upon your sales tax rate) to the actual price of the item at GB. On a small purchase, like $100 or so, it's not a big deal. But when you're talking $5,000 to $10,000+ an extra 10% could buy another gun for yourself!

Also, seller fees are much higher at GB. And finally, fraud is rampant at GB and their customer service is as close to zero as you can get.