new to trapdoors
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06Shooter2
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Re: new to trapdoors
I also received this carbine that looks as it has had a hard life but still neat s/n 143746
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Dick Hosmer
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Re: new to trapdoors
The barrel is 29-25/32" in the bore?
An original Cadet barrel would be 29-5/8" (often stated for convenience as 29.6") so there is some sort of issue there. Does the cleaning rod have threads on the end? Does it screw into a little metal plate (visible in the trigger guard plate mortise).
What is the "length of pull" from the center of the buttplate to the center of the trigger?
What is the width of the buttplate at its' widest point?
An original Cadet barrel would be 29-5/8" (often stated for convenience as 29.6") so there is some sort of issue there. Does the cleaning rod have threads on the end? Does it screw into a little metal plate (visible in the trigger guard plate mortise).
What is the "length of pull" from the center of the buttplate to the center of the trigger?
What is the width of the buttplate at its' widest point?
Re: new to trapdoors
The carbine seems to be all correct, except for the obvious problem of the broken stock. It is in a serial number range full of carbines, although there is no documented history on this number. A good woodworker and epoxy can fix that to stabilize it and the repairs should be merely "there" and not "screaming ugly". A bit of linseed oil afterwards will blend in the colors and greatly improve the overall appearance of the stock without any unnecessary sanding or making it look "too new."
The rifle is probably an assembly of parts by one of the surplus dealers circa 1890-1920. The stock is definitely rounded off in the lock area, where the stocks for the M1868 type rifles had flat areas extending out about 1/4" from the lock plate, and the opposite side of the stock was flat, not rounded. But, it was easy to reshape the stocks to the newer rounded style to make them seem more desirable.
Several of the metal parts seem to have a peculiar silver-blue tone to them that is often found on guns that Bannerman (and possibly their competitors) used. I can see some of it on the forend tip and the breechblock and latch. The nose of the stock comb also seems to be sharpened, possibly to remove some sort of damage, or just be more stylish. While not assembled at Springfield in its current configuration, it is still a nice family keepsake.
The rifle is probably an assembly of parts by one of the surplus dealers circa 1890-1920. The stock is definitely rounded off in the lock area, where the stocks for the M1868 type rifles had flat areas extending out about 1/4" from the lock plate, and the opposite side of the stock was flat, not rounded. But, it was easy to reshape the stocks to the newer rounded style to make them seem more desirable.
Several of the metal parts seem to have a peculiar silver-blue tone to them that is often found on guns that Bannerman (and possibly their competitors) used. I can see some of it on the forend tip and the breechblock and latch. The nose of the stock comb also seems to be sharpened, possibly to remove some sort of damage, or just be more stylish. While not assembled at Springfield in its current configuration, it is still a nice family keepsake.