New cartridge

[45govt]

Been kinda slow recently so thought I would post a not so very good photo of a new one, to me..
R F 4 77 primed
Pretty rare cartridge

[Dick Hosmer]

That's Berdan primed. Only loaded for two months, March & April of 1877. I have a single round and a heavily-worn April (empty) box. March rounds are even rarer, and no March boxes are known.

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[45govt]

Nice box Dick
This case has the Gill removable anvil as in this Butteiller catalog
Their are Benet inside primed cases marked R F 4 77 as well

[45govt]

Tom Trevor is having problems with Win 11 posting photos so he sent this to me to post
It is a full unopened box of R F 4 77

I have question, would there be a different box for the Gill Berdan primed cases stating something about Gill patent, like the boxes marked "Bloomfield..." or Manhattan.." boxes?

[Dick Hosmer]

And an even nicer one! Where will this end? A full box of "US Carbine"?

Cannot answer question about surcharged Berdan boxes, except that I've never seen one - perhaps ALL of the Berdan stuff used the Gill anvil? The Buttweiler catalogs had a lot of good items, and are still helpful for reference...

[45govt]

NEXT
From the Tom Trevor Collection

Centennial Draw set and the Draw set head stamps

[45govt]

And another from me
The Raised US CARBINE
I know this has been posted before

[John S.]

WOW!
Good stuff there, and really scarce.

It is important to study ammunition too, otherwise the trapdoor rifle is only a very complex bayonet holder, no more effective than the spears or lances used by the Roman empire.

[FrankD]

Nice! Great information and thank you for sharing.