Trapdoor Rifles

Been kinda slow recently so thought I would post a not so very good photo of a new one, to me..
R F 4 77 primed
Pretty rare cartridge

That's Berdan primed. Only loaded for two months, March & April of 1877. I have a single round and a heavily-worn April (empty) box. March rounds are even rarer, and no March boxes are known.

Nice box Dick
This case has the Gill removable anvil as in this Butteiller catalog
Their are Benet inside primed cases marked R F 4 77 as well

Tom Trevor is having problems with Win 11 posting photos so he sent this to me to post
It is a full unopened box of R F 4 77

I have question, would there be a different box for the Gill Berdan primed cases stating something about Gill patent, like the boxes marked "Bloomfield..." or Manhattan.." boxes?

And an even nicer one! Where will this end? A full box of "US Carbine"?

Cannot answer question about surcharged Berdan boxes, except that I've never seen one - perhaps ALL of the Berdan stuff used the Gill anvil? The Buttweiler catalogs had a lot of good items, and are still helpful for reference...

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From the Tom Trevor Collection

Centennial Draw set and the Draw set head stamps

And another from me
The Raised US CARBINE
I know this has been posted before

WOW!
Good stuff there, and really scarce.

It is important to study ammunition too, otherwise the trapdoor rifle is only a very complex bayonet holder, no more effective than the spears or lances used by the Roman empire.

Nice! Great information and thank you for sharing.